Our Beloved Demons and Devils

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Rich Baker has been working on the devils and demons in the new Monster Manual. Here's what he has to say:

- Devils are angels who rebelled. They rose up against the deity they served and murdered him. The crime of deicide is unimaginably perverse for angels, and hence devils were cursed and imprisoned in the Nine Hells.
- The Nine Hells are what became of the murdered deity's divine realm after his death. The Hells are the devils' prison, and it is difficult for them to get out without mortal aid.
- We've re-sorted demons and devils a bit, since we want these two categories of monsters to make a little more sense. Devils tend to be more humanoid in form, usually fight with weapons, and often wear armor. Most have horns, wings, and tails. One consequence of this: the erinyes and the succubus were holding down pretty similar territory, so we've decided that they're the same monster, called the succubus, and it's a devil.
- Ice devils don't look like other devils. We've decided that they are actually a demonic/yugoloth race... one that was entrapped by Mephistopheles long ago in an infernal contract. So ice devils hate other devils, retain their insect-like appearance, and have a special loyalty to Mephistopheles. It's one of the reasons why Asmodeus has never chosen to move against Mephistopheles. Asmodeus would of course win if he did, but that would let the ice devils out of their contract.

Personally, I think the whole thing is just stupid and reeks of changing stuff just to be changing something. Demons and Devils have always played a role, even if it was an ancillary role, in my games. I just wish that they'd come out with a Fiendish Codex for the Yugoloths before doing something like this. Would've made for a nice capstone to the end of the Blood War as we know it.

Ya I definately would have gotten the codex for yugos, as I got the first 2.

The more and more I read about this new game the more I get heated.

I actually kind of like the changes with Demons and Devils. Except for the Law/Chaos issue, I never saw much difference between them and this will help emphasize that.

And a splatbook on Yugoloths would have been nice as well. I've always been of the opinion that if you start something you shouldfinish it (or at least give it an honest go).

codex for yugos would of been a total buy for me.
The devils and demons to me was as important as the orcs in D&D too bad about the change....