Set 15 Dungeon of Dread

To quote Merric:

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D&D Miniatures Game Starter Set contains 5 non-random pre-painted figures, cards, 2 battle grids, and rules. Figures come from Dungeons of Dread series. $19.99 April 8, 2008

D&D Dungeons of Dread Booster Pack contains 8 random prepainted figs. $14.99 April 8, 2008

The starter set contains a Large Green Dragon, Human Sellsword, Elf Warlock, Dwarf Battlemaster, and Exiled Drow Fighter. The rules have been updated for faster play in an easy-to-reference format. The starter is in a clear blister package. No theme is given for this set, other than it will include some figures drawn from key 2008 D&D titles. The catalog contains no pictures for the D&D minis, not even cover art.

Linae said in a post on Maxminis:
[q]It turns out most of this info, but not all, is correct. Here are the product details:

Release date: April 4, 2008
US MSRP: $14.99
Contents:
5 non-random minis
Stat cards
2 double-sided battle maps
Rulebook
d20 w/ custom pip (not a spindown)

Other good to know stuff:
The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released.
The minis and d20 will be fully visible through a clear blister. [/q]

She also confirmed in chat that the green dragon was a new sculpt and *she thinks* new stats as well.

But will differnt minis be in Starters? Or will all starters have the same.

Man imagine if the Green Dragon is in the starter!

I will but 6 cases of starters!

It sounds to me as if all the starters will contain the same selection, but maybe the dice will be different.

I had (kind of) been hoping that it would be two maps made out of sturdier materials than glossy paper. But the price is better. And why are we getting another Large Green Dragon so soon?

I'm presuming it will at least be templated somehow (Vampiric, Ghost, Really Effing Honked Off, something) so as not to kick the "no reprints" policy straight in the giblets, and I'm not so keen about the minis in the Starter not being in the set (hopefully they will be coming from sets, if not from Dungeons of Dread).

It's already an almost guaranteed buy because of the new rulebook and the maps...there's no need to grind salt in the wound by making the figures exclusive.

I believe the starters are all the same (non random)with minis that are not in the random boosters of the set.
The dice could be different in every starter not to sure on that one.

Woah ! ANOTHER Price Hike !!! Curses !

Actually, Lidda confirmed that the 19.99 was a mistake and it will be 14.99. So 5.00 cheaper and you miss out on some crappy commons that you didn't want anyway, like the hunting cougar.

No,I Meant 14.99 For 8 Figs,Is That a 2$ Increase Per Boosters In The U$ ?

They jacked it uo to $14.99 a booster with Blood War in the US.

Oh,So Not a Price Hike.Still,a Started Seems Expensive.I Only Bought One From Abberations.

So now the green Dragon is confirmed in the Starter, that means there will be one in all of them. Ya I will be getting several cases of starters.

The Large Green Or The Old Medium Green ? I Think I Still Have One Up For Trade...Or Was It a Medium Gold....

I like the idea of the cool new dice, and the fact that I'll only have to buy 1 starter and not worry about doubles in m cases.

I'll buy one starter for sure....any more than that will depend entirely on what the minis look like.

Oh, I'll probably "need" two of the Starters...More if the supporting figures are any good.

Which is why it really gets me. If the figs were part of a standard set, I'd only need the two starters and then I'd be able to fill out the sculpts from the released sets!

*sigh* 4-6 Starters? E.T. says: "Ou-uch!"

Well i will definitely be grabbing a starter....more than one is doubtful

19.95$ For Cheap Commons,One Ugly Dice And Maps.,...I Am Not Falling For That...

$14.99, bozak. Cleared up already. And the "crappy commons" includes a large green dragon. If that's crappy....

14.99 Is a Regular Booster...Who Knows Who Much a Starter Is...I Saw WD Starters And 22.95$ And 24.95$ Last Saturday...

I Have An Extra Large Green For Trade,Much Nicer Than Buying a Starter With No Other Rare Than It And Paying For Skirmish-Only BS...

$14.99 USD price tag for the STARTER as noted by Wraithborne's post where he quoted from Linnae.

It is also worth noting that, at least initially, the minis in the Starter will not be part of another set "being simultaneously released." Presumably that set will be Dungeon of Dread.

Will the minis arrive afterwards or even in Dessert of Desolation? That is unknown.

Elf warlock doesn't sound good? Heh. It doesn't seem to hold as much warrant for RP players only, I concurr. Unless you're starting out, which is what this was made for. The pieces occuring here are not coming out in the actual boosters, which hurts non-skirmishers. But the sculpts might be worth it. It's the same price as a booster, and you get non-random figs that are obviously good for RP. Drow Exile, Dwarf weaponmaster, Human Renegade or whatever they are sound awesome! It seems like buying a booster full of *only* RPG useable figs. Instead of cracking open a starter of war drums and getting an arcane ballista or some hunting cougars, you get a large dragon and a group of PC pieces. Seems like a better tradeoff to me. By the way, I'm not meaning any offense, I'm just super-psyched about the starter, and I'm trying to get you to feel the same way

I think that the figure selection was pretty solid for both RPG and for Skirmish. I don't think it would be possible for the selection to be "ideal" because everyone has different wants for various things.

Hopefully, with the contents being fixed we'll be able to get some pretty solid paints and sculpts, too.

I'm hoping that someone at GenCon gets a pic or three. I want to see what's going to be available.

For sure, I'm hoping the sculpts end up being worth it. A lot less likely there will be defects, paint or otherwise if this is a blister pack, too. My wulfgar from NB had a huge blotch of skin-paint on his cloak. Figs come with arms off, pieces broken, etc. But in a blister pack (fingers crossed for the clear plastic window!) I'll be able to check it out first. And they're going to want to make the figs more appealing, to make people walking by want to grab it. So I would expect something along the lines of quality of raistlin. WotC reads boards, they know the reaction of bad figs. They know nobody will pick up a starter if they have a "dwarf on 'roids", etc. So I think they're going to go out of their way for these figs. At least if you can see them through the packaging

Very well said Zero!

Where Are The Minis Named ? I Only Saw The Large Green Dragon Being Mentionned...

Sir Bozak The Damned wrote:

Where Are The Minis Named ? I Only Saw The Large Green Dragon Being Mentionned...

Kilsek via Merric wrote:

D&D Miniatures Game Starter Set contains 5 non-random pre-painted figures, cards, 2 battle grids, and rules. Figures come from Dungeons of Dread series. $19.99 April 8, 2008

D&D Dungeons of Dread Booster Pack contains 8 random prepainted figs. $14.99 April 8, 2008

The starter set contains a Large Green Dragon, Human Sellsword, Elf Warlock, Dwarf Battlemaster, and Exiled Drow Fighter. The rules have been updated for faster play in an easy-to-reference format. The starter is in a clear blister package. No theme is given for this set, other than it will include some figures drawn from key 2008 D&D titles. The catalog contains no pictures for the D&D minis, not even cover art.

As noted, Linae already confirmed the 19.99 on the starter to be wrong and it is 14.99

Via Merric: (though the price for the starter has been changed. So we won't know exactly if these are the pieces or not)

D&D Miniatures Game Starter Set contains 5 non-random pre-painted figures, cards, 2 battle grids, and rules. Figures come from Dungeons of Dread series. $19.99 April 8, 2008

D&D Dungeons of Dread Booster Pack contains 8 random prepainted figs. $14.99 April 8, 2008

The starter set contains a Large Green Dragon, Human Sellsword, Elf Warlock, Dwarf Battlemaster, and Exiled Drow Fighter. The rules have been updated for faster play in an easy-to-reference format. The starter is in a clear blister package. No theme is given for this set, other than it will include some figures drawn from key 2008 D&D titles. The catalog contains no pictures for the D&D minis, not even cover art.

Cheers!

I'm hoping you're right, ZER0. I really am.

I remember when I used to be going nuts over the newest set information wanting to see what was being included and how it would look. Anymore, I almost find myself dreading it for fear of how mis-sized some figs will be and how scantily others will be painted. That's not a good sign.

I still get excited over new sets, though I am finding myself with a Meh more often. Size usually doesn't bother me that much, but the fathead even got to me until I decided to paint them as statues. I actually like the bigger monsters. I get more annoyed with rarity selection. I just hate human(oid) rares, especially when they're painted worse than Uncommons.

Starters : 1 for me, that's enough. Unless the minis are excellent, but I doubt they will be excellent enough. And I suspect 3 of them will mainly be used as PCs, so no need to have plenty of them.
The green dragon is cool, but I already have 2 WotDQ larges and 1 aberrations medium, so 1 more is enough. I don't think I'll ever have to throw more than 4 green dragons to my poor players...

Large Green Dragon?
Human Sellsword?
Dwarf Battlemaster?
Drow Fighter?
Elf Warlock?

Better yet, why'd they FUGLY the Green?

I think that's an amazing picture (mostly because I'm in love with warlocks, and have yet to get a good female one, IMO). She's going to see a LOT of use in my games, regardless of what ruleset she uses. Drow looks kind of cool, but a drow fighter with a.....cane? WTF?

I'm thinking that the one with the cane is the Warlock and the female is the Drow.

I know I really like the potential for the female elf (no matter what else she might be).

But why did they FUGLY the Green?! ********! Why?!

Yeah, you're probably right, just her skin didn't look drow-ish. Could be the light. Could be a revamp on drow :O Either way, great. And the new dragon's interesting. If nothing else, it will get across the point that it is, in fact, a dragon to your players. Or you could hang on to the WotDQ one(s) you have sitting around.

If that were the "next" phase for the Blue, I wouldn't be as upset. I'd still be irritated, 'cause it's FUGLY, but I can see the progression from edition to edition.

But Green? Greens have great fins along the neck and spine...not calcified boogers that'll poke yer eye out! And the lower jaw with those snaggles? Bwuh?!

WAR art or not...it's still...well...

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go. Haha. I dunno, at this point in the game I'd rather have new, innovative monsters than the same old ones. People don't look 100% the same, why should all bugbears and dragons? I may not be fond of the new creatures, but I'd prefer that to the same picture used for everything over and over. I don't prefer the new beholder, in fact you could say I hate it. But, I'd prefer that to the recycled one, simply because I have the old beholder mini, so I can use that one and pretend the new one doesn't exist. I try not to rag on something until I've had a chance to fully see it, and we're not even sure that's the new green. That could just be something they're playing around with, getting some art. All the greens could look ridiculously different (that would be cool, right?! ) most especially between campaign settings. Instead of dragonlance looking the same as forgotten realms dragons, even though they're rooted in different planes of existence. I dunno, a guy could dream :).

*shrug*

There's different folks and different strokes. There's a saying buried in there somewhere.

But, truth be told, I'm fairly conservative. I don't like change that's unnecessary, and even though I'm trying, I can't find many real reasons why the changes to fourth ed. are needed. Rules tweaking? OK, that's a partial reason...I can see an upgrade to 3.75...but all the cosmetic changes to the creatures? Especially such wild departures as the rhinoplasty deficient Dragons? I just can't follow that one.

I see the need for DDM 2.0 (from a rules standpoint) but not from a design standpoint. Why do trolls now look like the Goblins from Labyrinth? With five Monster Manuals of creatures to choose from, was there a definite benefit to ******* everyone "improving" the appearance of so many figures? That (IMO, of course) is just a sadistic money grab...an unnecessary katana-strike to the junk. Why? Because they can, not because it improves the appearance of the game. YMMV.

I don't remember what the Dragons looked like in AD&D 2nd Ed., but I remember AD&D pretty well. Compared to 3.50, the AD&D dragons looked, by and large, like crap. I've seen the Red and Green for 4.0 and I'd rather have the AD&D Dragons back. With the 3.5 Dragons, I could see where they came from. With 4.0 things are so different they no longer hold the comfort of something (at least partially) known.

Really? I like the 4.0 red, moreso than the 3.5 maybe. The green, I'll have to get used to, and is a bit odd, but overall has my hesitant approval. I think they should have given us that last year they promised (at the soonest 2008! Me: Whew, I have time!). But overall, I'm glad the change is happening in general. I'd rather they gave us a time to get used to it, maybe some fan-based approval/disapproval, because I freaking hate the b/s that's happening now. You can't announce something huge and then poke out tiny tidbits for half a year after.

WotC: We're thinking maybe you might like seeing a.... d20? Yeah, look forward to maybe possibly rolling a d20 in the future game to come with d20s maybe in it rolled on tables or sometimes books kind of. Because when we started this company back in blah blah blah blah we thought it'd be great to have blah blah blah blah.

Meh.

I'm not against change, per se, although I admit that I will always be somewhat resistant to it. It's in my nature...unless I can see a positive reason for it, I approach it with skepticism.

If we were looking strictly at rules revisions, I think I'd be a lot more accepting of things. If there was a plan for an upgrade guide for 3.5 to 4th Ed. I think I'd feel even better about the pending switch. If WotC had not held all the cool little "digital toys" until 4th Ed., but had rolled out a couple here and another there, I'd almost be looking forward to 4th Ed.

The cosmetic changes are just the salt in the wound...ground in by a belt sander. Outdating hundreds of mini-designs just for the seeming pleasure of being able to do it is iodine in your eye-drops.

It just chaps my ***.

And now I'm all ****** off again!

Well, think of how much better 5.0's online support will be if it'll help

I know that's a joke, but I'm having a tough time seeing the humor in it.

I just can't stand these "stealth" updates. It communicates a very specific message to the consumer ("you are a source of unlimited cash") that isn't true and is very dangerous to think like that.

Consumer and producer need to work together. Sometimes one must be in charge, and sometimes the other. But the producer is not in the driver's seat as much as they might like to think.

And these half-***** announcements are pathetic. People responsible for PR should have all the answers (or as many as possible) before chuckle-heads (such as myself) get worked up...not after. It's always after! And this consumer is tired of being thought of as an afterthought! If you want me to be an after thought, I'll take it the rest of the thought in stride be a complete afterthought--as in "no longer a consumer."

I really do hope they give a big Q&A like they did for minis. At least get the basic schematics out there like they did. A few of the changes, planned dates, etc. That would at least be enough for everybody to kind of settle a bit so the once in a while previews won't be so hard to take.

A Q&A session would be a good idea.

Too bad nobody seems to have really thought about that.

Seriously, that's what should have happened. The announcement should have been made, a PR session would then occur and then a follow-up would be announced so that people could return with questions that the reps could answer or at least attempt to address.

But there I go thinking again. It gets me into all sorts of problems at work, and I guess this shouldn't be any different.

Well, Gen Con isn't over yet! I'm still hopeful for some kind of announcement/demo/something other than pulling the blanket off the tire of a new bike and covering it up before you can see the frame. Nice tire so far, maybe they'll let us peek a bit more before Christmas hits in April. Thus far though, the tires look better on my old, beaten up bike